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neapolitan joe 03-21-2011 11:38 AM

Why kill Gaddafi (Gheddafi) so fast!? OFF-TOPIC
 
I like to share my ideas with You, foreign friends.

Why French President Sarkozy'd like to kill Gaddafi so fast?
Why U.K. just sent S.A.S. on the ground despite the O.N.U. resolution.
Maybe because this crazy criminal knows what happened on Ustica island very well? What do You think about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi .
Read this, guys:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroli...avia_Flight_870 .
We, Italians, are tired about this kind of things. Italy was a battlefield since 1945 till 1995 between stranger countries, we'd like to know the truth.
Neapolitan Joe.

Push You Down 03-21-2011 04:18 PM

No idea... but I did just find two 25 year old bumper stickers that read "Khadafi In Trunk"

I'm ebaying those!

Da Talent 03-21-2011 04:22 PM

The time for Gaddafi to step down has come. Only a crazy person takes on a "long war" with the entire world. And a crazy person shouldn't run Libya.

ToneGunsRevisited 03-21-2011 06:50 PM

Dificult matter to discuss, I would use my country's position as mine: No more wars. Just like Gns N' Roses civil war song.

"What's so civil about war anyway" - W. Axl Rose

Urban Saboteur 03-21-2011 06:58 PM

Libya & Ghaddafi
 
One of the many issues I have with France, UK & USA getting involved in Iraq & Libya is that they always claim to be doing it to save the people.

Orly? :rolleyes:

So there is absolutely no other agenda here at all? they are only there to save the people?

Why is it then Sierra Leone was in a civil war for almost 25 years.. and the western countries.. and 'saving saints' of the UN did nothing to help the raped and killed in Sierra Leone?

It seems for your life to be saved in this day and age.. you must have collateral. By ignoring African countries like Sierra Leone it sends a message out to educated people that they only care for the countries and people that have a reason to be saved?

This is Wrong IMO. What a terrible state for Humanity to be in. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying we should let Ghaddafi allow his military to fire on Civilians. I'm not saying that at all, but Iraq & Libya aren't the only countries to go through a civil war are they in the last 20-30 years?

So the real question is.. If the coalition forces are doing this to save the people and free them from a dispicable regime.. why havent they done something in the other countries before now?

Now alot of net sites and conspiracy reporters aim most of this at global resources, it's true the eastern country has oil in abundance.. but is that all that is at play here? Or is there something more sinister and a bigger reason for them to be doing what they are doing. Again even if you end up with the 'we're doing it soley for the oil' argument.. it's still a poor state for humanity for them to go over and help out only if they have something to offer in return.

In a world where we are brought up not to be discriminitive against people, regardless of age, race, wealth.. they sure are sending a very bad message. If not to everyone else on this planet, it certainly looks that way from where I'm stood.

According to Wikipedia the surpression and the regime in Sierra Leone is over (ha) yeah right.

tycondrius23 03-22-2011 02:22 AM

maybe he's CC in disguise. he was at war with the joes for a long long time
Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Talent
The time for Gaddafi to step down has come. Only a crazy person takes on a "long war" with the entire world. And a crazy person shouldn't run Libya.

seyms 03-22-2011 04:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by tycondrius23
maybe he's CC in disguise.


Nope. That honour rests with George Dubya :D


Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Talent
Only a crazy person takes on a "long war" with the entire world.


George Dubya, anyone? :D

Urban Saboteur 03-22-2011 04:46 AM

I can see that.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seyms
Nope. That honour rests with George Dubya :D

George Dubya, anyone? :D


HAHAHA :D LOL & LMAO.

I actually can see that now. ok sold for $300.00 you can send me a paypal payment I'll get your official dubya bush figure out to you.. oh wait I meant CC. :p

rds13601 03-23-2011 12:36 PM

Quadaffi
 
Most of the oil that comes from Lybia goes to France and England. Diplomats signed treaties with the rebels 3 weeks ago then Quadaffi unleashed his army and went on a rampage. The reason they want Quadaffi dead is that they are afraid as to what he might do in retaliation. He has agents all over the world and they are worried they might conduct terrorist activity. They are also wary that he might fund Al Queda and if he wins this civil war they are worried Lybia could be a training base for Al Queda. He is also sitting on top of a stockpile of mustard gas and the West fears terrorist reprisals. And may I thank Italy and the Italian people for letting Nato use their bases.

neapolitan joe 03-23-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rds13601
Most of the oil that comes from Lybia goes to France and England. Diplomats signed treaties with the rebels 3 weeks ago then Quadaffi unleashed his army and went on a rampage. The reason they want Quadaffi dead is that they are afraid as to what he might do in retaliation. He has agents all over the world and they are worried they might conduct terrorist activity. They are also wary that he might fund Al Queda and if he wins this civil war they are worried Lybia could be a training base for Al Queda. He is also sitting on top of a stockpile of mustard gas and the West fears terrorist reprisals. And may I thank Italy and the Italian people for letting Nato use their bases.



You got it.
Sarkozy wants oil for Total-Fina-Elf and stole it from Eni (Italy). No problem for me, but Sarkozy'd not talk of humanitarian war.
P.S.: I love France and United Kingdom. I do not like hypocrisy.

rnrhero 03-23-2011 09:27 PM

I normally try to stay out of this but the fact is, the rebels have strong ties with Al Queda from on all the intel we have. That intel comes from our own State Dept. That makes this a no win situation for the US. Just my 2 cents.

Goldbug 03-23-2011 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rnrhero
I normally try to stay out of this but the fact is, the rebels have strong ties with Al Queda from on all the intel we have. That intel comes from our own State Dept. That makes this a no win situation for the US. Just my 2 cents.

What intel is that? The one where Gaddafi says it's true? This is a guy who brought terrorism to the rest of the world before Al Qaeda. He has to go.

rnrhero 03-23-2011 10:51 PM

The US state dept reported this last year. That the leaders of at least one faction of the rebels had connections with Al Qaeda and had supplied men and material in the war in Iraq during the US occupation. Its not good guys against bad. Its seems to be more of a Bad against bad but which is worse? I hate to say it but, with Gaddafi at least we know what we are dealing with. The funny thing is this is all know to the Obama administration but they are acting anyway.

Goldbug 03-24-2011 06:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by rnrhero
The US state dept reported this last year. That the leaders of at least one faction of the rebels had connections with Al Qaeda and had supplied men and material in the war in Iraq during the US occupation. Its not good guys against bad. Its seems to be more of a Bad against bad but which is worse? I hate to say it but, with Gaddafi at least we know what we are dealing with. The funny thing is this is all know to the Obama administration but they are acting anyway.

I believe you are mistaken. There were no rebels last year. This started in February.
There was a report by some West Point Academy professor about Libyans heading to Iraq to fight us. However these are a minority. Those could probably still be in Iraq or Afghanistan or killed already. The majority of the rebel leaders are former Gaddafi loyalists. Their general was formerly part of the secret police. So no not all of them are Al Qaeda. Plus most of them are happy we are intervening. If they were a major part of AQ then that F-15 weapons officer would not have made it back.
The real problem that has been discussed was if AQ would re-emerge in these countries when their dictators are gone.

ToneGunsRevisited 03-24-2011 07:29 PM

Someone did remember what happened when US helped some rebels in Afghanistan? They are fighting them now.


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