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Old 06-22-2009, 01:11 PM #30
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Originally Posted by Jay
Transformers debuted in 84, not 83. You're thinking of the debut year of Swivel Arms here.


More likely I am thinking of the year they were supposed to debut in the Microman line.

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1995, 1996 and 1999 were the only years without Joe.


That is still several breaks vs. just one, But:

Depends on how you view it, all the versions of TF had some version of Optimus and Megetron, the same cannot be said for Joe (Extreame and Savage). Also the basic toy didn't really change that much as the TF line went forward (Of course there were advances in Articuation and how the toys could transform but th progression can be seen as the line goes into different incarnations, but the Bublebee of today can stand beside Trailbreaker from GI and are for the most part the same scale). Conversly Joe has gone from 5". 8", 12", 2" ect (and while TF did have some variance in scale it wasn't through toylines. ie the minis were there with GI with Seaspray, cosmos ect, not as a seperate line).

Thus I really don't count Extreame, savage or even Sigma as they were rubs against the grain (and as such failed). I can see a strong case for 12" figs since they were the orginals and would conseed that point, the others I have a harder time with.

On top of that, Joe kept getting cancelled where as TF would run its course and start anew with new characters and a new storyline (Although Beast machines probably was a poor idea, it at least was follwed up by something in a TF vien that wasn't a total change of heart).


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They had Sigma Six.


Oh I had forgotten that, but the reason I did is cause you could never find it on anywhere. or if it was on the time slots kept getting shifted around.
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